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calling all beings y'all let's get it

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thank you

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yeah

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we're back with a legit Original

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Gangster tonight

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welcome back to calling all beings I'm

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your host DJ along with the co-creator

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of this joint who's looking better every

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week much to my chagrin put your hands

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together for money Nathan what's up

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everybody how's it going I had to do the

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old school intro you know kind of a

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flashback to the Past did you like that

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I love it love it that's it's a great

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intro it'll never not be cool and now

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let's say hello to somebody that a lot

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more people in NYC Finn to get to know

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because she's going to be up there with

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Priscilla in an event we're going to

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talk about here in a few minutes when we

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introduce a friend of ours but party

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people put those hands together for a

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study of uaps the host of Deb's data

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Dojo hello hi everybody what's up Deb

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uh you know without further idea let's

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get into it this young lady right here

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is a researcher she's a writer she's a

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speaker she's a mufon field investigator

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she is the source and as I said at the

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opener she is a legit experiencer in

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several different Realms of the

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phenomenon she's a damn walking

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encyclopedia for the business and she's

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the friend of our our home girl in the

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chat Julie Farrell everybody shout out

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to Julie but right now yeah but the

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woman of the hour puts your hands

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me too but I'm used to it now

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you mean you've watched our show

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your product

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oh my

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God Nathan Jessica I know

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thank you so much

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he needs a moment just give him a second

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I can't believe it uh Linda Legend and

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so okay you guys are gonna say you

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already had on a Linda Legend yes but

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it's Ellen l-i-n-d-a from New York it's

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uh Linda Zimmerman but this is l y to

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the N to the D to the a legend Linda

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Thompson so

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um it's pleasure to have you on ma'am um

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it was really surreal driving home from

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work one day when uh you took my call

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and we got to speak about you and your

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experience and and it's kind of one of

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those moments where I'm in traffic and

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you know it was like one of those deals

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so uh thank you for doing that I really

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um so in a minute we're gonna have your

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friend on when he jumps in this joint

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your fellow experiencer who I'm sure

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you're well acquainted with and uh with

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whom we have them the utmost regard on

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this show because only one of the three

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of us on the show has had any

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experiences uh at all so yeah uh it's so

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cool when we get to speak with one of

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you but let me let me let Nathan uh take

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it away brother yeah Linda really great

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to have you with us uh I know you've

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been a part of this community for quite

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a long time longer than really we've

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been a part of it and uh I appreciate so

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much what you're bringing to the table

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with your conversation and your

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willingness to engage and your

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of survey what's going on uh in the

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to use that very Loosely Community uh

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how strong of a community this one

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actually is but as you take note of

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what's Happening you know how do you

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feel things are going do you feel like

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things are just a little bit Rocky what

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people that can't get along a lot of it

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has an agenda behind it and so that

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stirs it up and

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who to just listen to and who to shut

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it's not what it appears well that's for

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sure and uh you know we all we all kind

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of learned that lesson over time we we

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find our tribe if you will and we I

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encourage folks to follow those people

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that they resonate with and um

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that's okay that's your right to do that

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that judiciously one person who I uh try

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to listen to every once in a while

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is our good friend Jake Christopher King

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uh I think he's an amazing person if I

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had the real pleasure of spending some

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quality time with Jay I feel like we he

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and I walked must have been like 12

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miles one day and we were together and

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that's not an exaggeration

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um but Jay King is a friend of mine and

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uh we're excited to have him on to talk

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a little bit about the upcoming uh

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conference that's happening on Saturday

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that just really quickly and then we'll

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bring him on we've got a an amazing

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conference popping up here it's uh an

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inquiry into anomalous experiences and

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the phenomenon we won't make that an

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acronym because there'd be no way to

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pronounce it but it's a really exciting

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event that's coming up with some great

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um Darren EXO Academia is a friend of

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mine obviously the headliner Dr Gary

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Nolan Mitch Horowitz you know author

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content coming folks away I don't think

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people realize how dense this is going

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to be so when you're watching uh in

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person or virtually you know you're

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beverage at hand probably just to get

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through it all but it's going to be

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really stimulating uh conversation not

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only that but I think and I want to get

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Jay's thoughts on this it's an

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opportunity for us to really connect

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with with other people that we you know

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in person that know each other virtually

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but this will be the first time they can

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kind of be together in person so there's

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gonna be a lot of cool things coming out

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of this but that's enough for me talking

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about it let's hear from one of the the

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headliners and the and the organizers of

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the events Jay I'm bringing you on

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camera amen for Jay Christopher

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hey man there it is

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thanks yeah thank you thank you fellas

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and thank you Deb and thank you Linda

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it's great to see you Linda

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um I I love your outfit by the way those

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um yeah you're talking to Linda sorry

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you too DJ YouTube always just beautiful

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wonderful to just wonder all

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uh-oh we have some choppy audio

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happening yeah we got some craziness

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yep he's fasting testing one two three

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am I back yeah

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okay cool oh I was just saying that the

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last time that I saw you guys in person

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was here in New York City for um one of

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our New York City UFO supper clubs and

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it was so fun uh we had we had wonderful

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Korean food and yeah I I tried to um

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I I I tried to walk Nathan to death over

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the course of a day but he was resilient

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um he failed and he was he was much more

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fit than I thought he was and we

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um the reality is that we kind of got

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lost even though I've lived here for

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like the better part of 22 years we got

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lost in Central Park on the way to

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Cleopatra's Needle I'm not going to

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blame like the Egyptian civilization

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Egyptian culture or Cleopatra herself or

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whoever stole that amazing self right

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that amazing amazing uh Obelisk from

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Egypt to New York City but it was very

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hard to find given how tall it is it was

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for a little bit surprisingly right

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where's the Washington Monument I don't

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see it yeah it was a little bit

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embarrassing and I can only admit it now

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uh there's some hubris involved but um

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but the company was great the company

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was great that's right we went to the

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music we went to the Met it was a proper

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mandate it was a proper mandate and um

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I'm proud of that that's right this this

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sounds really cool because I thought Jay

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was going to say you know I I met you

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guys in New York City I've been

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regretting it ever since those are the

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words I was expecting to hear and lose

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my number so I'm really happy to hear

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that it wasn't that that's that's really

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that's a really cool things we're really

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gratified about that that's great

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so Jay how you feeling coming in this

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weekend right uh what's uh what's the

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mood like at uh at Jay King's house

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oh um well you've been here um it's I'm

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it's good

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the the state of the situation is good

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um it's kind of the it's not really the

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seventh inning stretch we're kind of

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like towards the back of the ninth in

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anticipation of Saturday and so there

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are there are a lot of kind of T's to

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cross and Dot and dots on the eyes but

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um I'm I'm really optimistic and I'm

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really psyched about

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um all the positive feedback that we've

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been receiving and you know Deb's gonna

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be out there and I I saw online that

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that Linda's going to be joining us

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virtually which is awesome I've known

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Linda for years and uh love Linda and

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I've spent a lot of time with Linda and

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it's great that she's going to be

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joining us as well and I know that

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Nathan's going to be joining us DJ if

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you can join us as well yeah I mean feel

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free tickets on day one baby oh that's

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right okay cool well then look at this

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it's 100 attendance that's great and as

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far as the caffeine are you doing

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intervene penis at this point are you

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still doing oral caffeine uh pretty much

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well here's the thing is that um I was

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recently in Italy we had saved up for a

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few years my partner's elderly mother

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had has never been to Europe and so

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back in 2019 obviously that didn't

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happen and this is kind of the first

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opportunity that we were able to take

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her out there

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um there's nothing like uh Italian uh

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espresso to really be able to kind of

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Shepherd around a wonderful 77 year old

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woman on her first trip to the ancient

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city of Siena you know what I mean and

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we brought some back and so that's been

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really helpful in kind of these last

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seven days or so yeah but anyway

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um I don't want to I don't want to steal

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the show from from the wonderful Linda

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Thompson who is a hero and a fellow

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experiencer and has wonderful stories

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and wonderful cases but yeah before you

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go Jay let's just get the time and what

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I want to talk about is the virtual you

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can still get on ver even though they

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sold out in in-person tickets you can

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still get online and watch this which

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I'm going to be doing so please tell

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everybody uh the time it starts uh and

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and the website Etc or Nathan can show

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that we'll also stick it in the show

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notes and stuff at the end of the show

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sure so we will be opening the doors

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both virtually and in person at 1 30 PM

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Eastern Standard time so that's New York

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City time that works out to be 10 30

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Pacific it works out to be 6 30 UK

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and um yes folks we sold out the

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in-person tickets a while ago I can

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announce that I think that we're going

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to be putting up one more in-person

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ticket later tonight

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um and then uh because yeah and um the

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online tickets for people that could be

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joining us online uh it's going to be

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through zoom webinars and anybody that

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purchases a ticket both in person and

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online uh will have continually

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continual access to the professionally

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shot

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um archival video uh afterwards so if

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you can't make the whole thing online uh

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on Saturday

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and you have a ticket you can feel free

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to review that footage and and check out

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where we're doing uh whenever you'd like

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uh the website to get a ticket is an

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inquiry into the anomalous dot RSV

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rsvpfi.com and I'll also put that in the

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comments on uh on this video after I get

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off and tickets are only thirty dollars

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which I think that you'll find is pretty

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good price we tried to make it as

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reasonable as possible for people a lot

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of conferences online I charge you an

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arm and a leg and even though we're in

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one of the most we're doing this and

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trying to pull it off in one of the most

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expensive cities in the world we're

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still trying to keep things as

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reasonable as possible so that as many

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people can join us as would like so

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thank you so much for having me on

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tonight I really appreciate being able

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to to plug uh the event I'm really happy

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to share a few moments with you guys I'm

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really happy to share a few moments with

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Deb and especially the wonderful Linda

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Thompson So yeah thank you so much

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Christopher King yeah

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take care and good luck this weekend all

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right thanks so much guys see you soon

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thank you brother I'll talk to you peace

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yes your brother your experiencer

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brother Christopher Christopher King all

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right let's get into it Linda

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um man you know like when I got on the

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phone with you

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and I started speaking with you

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the obvious question and maybe this is

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not obvious so maybe you know Nathan and

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Debs can correct me if I'm wrong just

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because you know when you're an

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interviewer it's like I wanna I wanna be

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there I want to know like to the best of

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my ability as as an empath myself that

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is sort of the one ability that I do

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have is as an empath

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um literally the one ability I have but

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um

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you know what is it like being in the in

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the presence and and one of the folks

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asked today I believe she was responding

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to I'm doli on something and asking

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about touch and so could I just ask you

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that about experience what it feels like

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and in what way meaning like uh what the

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skin feels like on your skin if you felt

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their skin on your skin oh

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um

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I don't know how I would describe that

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this is

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for some reason I don't know maybe in

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the past I did touch a porpoise like at

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Sea World I don't remember when I took

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my son

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um but I would kind of say that's kind

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of the feeling from what I remember

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so that's the only thing I can

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press it with

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interesting so I hadn't thought about

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that before

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well I mean that's why that Nathan's

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paying me all this money

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so uh so yeah I was just curious about

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that and I guess the second

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um

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is there is there an experience that

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that you look back on and if you could

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share it with us that makes you feel

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good that you left it feeling like

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Christopher Bledsoe who I'm I'm sure

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you're acquainted with him

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yeah

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um

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my gosh

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the thing is I've had so many different

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experiences and that's that's the hard

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thing

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I mean I've had experiences where I've

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gotten messages about different things

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but

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um as far as

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one thing that really I guess was

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totally unexpected was an event that I

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had that was really big

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and caused a lot of problems

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but I finally underwent regression last

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year because I was like okay

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I'm strong enough to take whatever it

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was that I don't remember

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and so

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I did that

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not knowing what I was gonna find out

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was that even though everything around

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it was bad

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what actually happened was that one of

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the places they operated on me was on my

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left ankle

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I did not know no clue

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my leg had problems but it was having

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some problems

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Okay so

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I didn't believe it they told me it was

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to help me that they were taking that

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like a tumor and that my leg would not

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be able to be like straight normal kind

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of stuff but

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um

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that it would be better than having the

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tumor obviously okay

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um

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so I you know that was some of it so I

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got off and I got the transcript to

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re-read it and everything and listen to

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it and

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I'm like

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I took a mirror and held it to the

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outside of my left ankle and I can't

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move that leg all the way so I had to

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and then I had my husband come over and

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I said do you see anything like a

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surgical SCAR or anything there and sure

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enough there was this like surgical line

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now that happened

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almost 30 years ago

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I had no clue absolutely no clue

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that happened

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okay

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but the evidence is there

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and

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I had been having trouble with that leg

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um things got worse for a while after

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and other things going on

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but um

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yeah I had no clue

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I I would have thought that was a

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hundred percent an awful experience

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from everything else that went on not

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yeah that that is uh really interesting

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because you waited this long to do it

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and you so maybe you never even knew and

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but I'm gonna pass it to Nathan F

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because there's so much here I don't

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want to hog you up but um

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did you never know before that they had

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helped you from a medical perspective or

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medical standpoint no

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I mean I've had some healings but you

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know and Nathan this is where you

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probably know that you know the healings

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holy spirit all that kind of thing can

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kind of run and mix together with all

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this other and you know what is what

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what is that but

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um

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so yeah I had no clue you know because

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it was after that incident that I later

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had um

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an object removed from up here

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and so you know that was after that

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happened

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so you know and that was discussed in

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the regression too

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you know what it was being there for and

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all

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right

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that is uh got to be very revelatory

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after as many years as you've been

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involved with the phenomenon to to have

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that happen and have it just maybe even

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change what you thought about the

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phenomenon but uh again I don't I don't

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want to follow up too much because I

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literally you're the kind of guest that

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you don't even write up you don't need

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to write down any questions because

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there's so much to talk to you about we

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could just riff off each other for you

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know hours go ahead and take it away

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Nathan yeah I'm I'm really interested in

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you know you've been dealing with a lot

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of this for many many years and uh we've

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had the Good Fortune of interviewing

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other experiencers who've had their

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experiences in the near past so not so

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long ago and it's obvious to us how

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difficult it is to kind of wrestle with

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what's happening to them and making

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sense of it all and I'm just wondering

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if yeah with with the time that you've

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had with this the experience that you've

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had with this is there anything that you

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would provide as uh you know kind of a

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guidance or counsel for those that are

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going through this for the first time or

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early on something that really helped

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you that kind of might make sense of it

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all or at least come to peace with some

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of it anything you would want to share

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there

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now gosh

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okay so I'm a lifer and I've had all

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kinds of experiences

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um

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I guess what I would say is you have to

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find a way to

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deal with it

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um

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not to close yourself off

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because one thing people like me we live

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in very compartmental lives you know we

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keep this separate that separate that

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separate and we can't let it let it

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cross

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um you know it's like living in the

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shadows in

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the first time that I actually like

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spoke about it to the world type of

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thing

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um

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was one night late on

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Twitter

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and somebody had talked about something

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happening to his girlfriend that was

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like very close to what happened to me

552
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:52,020
that at that instance that Tomba was

553
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:53,280
talking about

554
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:56,940
and I just started like posting

555
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:00,960
about what happened to me and yeah you

556
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:03,720
know it would be the wrong thing for a

557
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:07,320
hundred people besides me to do

558
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:10,919
but at that point it broke

559
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,679
you know I just like cried the last rest

560
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:15,960
of the night because

561
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,539
it was finally out

562
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,360
you know and of course

563
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,100
you know the guy told me he said she

564
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:24,240
shouldn't have done that you just don't

565
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:28,140
understand I said yeah you're right but

566
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,500
I feel like there's healing coming

567
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:34,140
because of that you know it just broke

568
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:35,580
down a wall

569
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:38,880
so you need to find somebody that you

570
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:40,980
can trust

571
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:45,600
um that can help you walk through this

572
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:49,020
and then the funny thing is okay I saw a

573
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,720
therapists for years

574
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:53,220
and

575
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:55,500
I couldn't put a name on what was going

576
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,440
on okay partly because of embarrassment

577
00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:00,600
and stuff but there were triggers and

578
00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:03,000
things that I didn't understand

579
00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:06,120
okay so like one of the major things for

580
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:10,679
me is that I had severe PTSD

581
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:14,580
driving at night seeing blue lights the

582
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:17,880
police cars I was okay till they started

583
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:20,100
using the blue weights

584
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:24,600
okay could not figure it out could not

585
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:28,919
I mean my foot would shake so bad on the

586
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,580
gas pedal that I thought I was just not

587
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,799
going to be able to drive at all I mean

588
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:37,500
that's just how shook up I was

589
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:39,299
and you know so I was telling the

590
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:41,580
therapists this kind of stuff and

591
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:45,240
you know and it dawned on me what it was

592
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:48,600
that it was the blue lights that I had

593
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:51,960
seen in you know the abductions and

594
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:52,860
stuff

595
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:55,380
and it was like as soon as I put that

596
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:58,500
together pieced it together that was it

597
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:02,580
doesn't bother me anymore so

598
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,539
um

599
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,120
and the funny thing was okay I saw that

600
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:08,580
therapist for years talked about all

601
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:10,500
this stuff

602
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,500
and the funny thing was okay the last

603
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:16,380
day when she retired

604
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:19,140
and I went to see her for the last

605
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,659
appointment and she told me she goes I

606
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:23,700
knew what you were dealing with from the

607
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:26,279
first day you stepped in here but I

608
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:30,059
couldn't tell you you had to come to it

609
00:27:37,210 --> 00:27:34,260
yourself and she said and my sister is

610
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:37,220
one of the top ufologists in the country

611
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:40,679
that does regression and stuff and she

612
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:43,919
says I knew exactly what it was and I'm

613
00:27:48,370 --> 00:27:45,659
like well then why did I have to spend

614
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,720
because you have to spend all that money

615
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:52,159
[Laughter]

616
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:55,020
incredible it's like I'm a capitalist

617
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,130
that's amazing well I I resonate a lot

618
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:02,880
with that and I think anyone that's gone

619
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,940
through a traumatic experience

620
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:07,679
um you know and has processed that

621
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:09,900
probably can I think it's good advice

622
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,140
you know just um

623
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:15,360
listen to the voice inside and and you

624
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,100
know let let it out like you said let it

625
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:19,080
out to someone that is able to listen to

626
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,520
you

627
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,840
um

628
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:23,700
and also I think you know what what you

629
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:25,080
kind of hit at there is it's not

630
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:27,179
necessarily something you can control so

631
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:28,919
as much as we um

632
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:31,740
want to be in control and a lot of our

633
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:33,960
societies built around that right that

634
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,120
we're we're in control of a lot of these

635
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:38,400
factors and we have this false sense of

636
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:39,419
security that we've got everything

637
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,299
figured out and I think we forget that

638
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,520
we're really not often as in control as

639
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:46,679
we are and and sometimes we just have to

640
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:49,919
go with the flow and and and be uh at

641
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,620
the mercy of whatever energies are kind

642
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,779
of happening to us at any given time and

643
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,299
those things can be quite uh healing and

644
00:29:01,970 --> 00:28:59,159
therapeutic

645
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,980
I also want to say that Linda uh people

646
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,840
like our friend David John Lanier shout

647
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:06,240
out to David John Lanier uh he looks at

648
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,760
somebody like Linda talks to Linda and

649
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,279
probably what he feels he could never

650
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:13,860
get get that talking to me or probably

651
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:15,720
even you Nathan just because we don't

652
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,360
know what it feels like you know Deb's

653
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:21,600
probably Linda definitely you know a Max

654
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,580
you know people like Max look up to you

655
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,679
he contact me today he's looking forward

656
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,320
to this uh episode Max McCabe he's an

657
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:30,480
experiencer who's had a difficult time

658
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:32,760
processing so I think a lot of people

659
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,620
just really want to thank you for that a

660
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:41,029
thank you yes ma'am we got to turn you

661
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:49,430
yeah so hi I thank you for coming to

662
00:29:54,889 --> 00:29:52,020
talk to us I wanted to um point out that

663
00:29:58,269 --> 00:29:54,899
in addition to being an experiencer and

664
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:58,279
a researcher you also advocate for

665
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:01,620
experiencers and I was wondering if you

666
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:04,500
could tell people what they get wrong

667
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,260
about experiencers and something that

668
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:09,600
you think that they should know

669
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:13,620
okay yeah well besides all the ideas

670
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:16,740
about you know making stuff up and all

671
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,779
of that it's like

672
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:21,600
no if I if I could make stuff up this

673
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:24,179
good I would just write novels you know

674
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:25,740
I mean

675
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,419
you know

676
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,120
it's one of my doctors says that truth

677
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,360
is Stranger Than Fiction and you know

678
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,720
and that's absolutely true

679
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,580
um but

680
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:40,799
I would say

681
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,520
it's just important

682
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:46,500
not to

683
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,860
put everybody together in one basket and

684
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:52,559
and everybody who has

685
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,360
an experience or whatever has gone

686
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,880
through something different

687
00:31:02,450 --> 00:30:58,980
um

688
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:02,460
and we're not guinea pigs that's one

689
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:04,919
thing that I just get really irate about

690
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,980
is when people talk well we need to test

691
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:10,799
y'all and we need to do you know we have

692
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:13,860
to do this and we have to do that and we

693
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:16,740
need to know who all the experiences are

694
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:18,779
and who all the abductees are and it's

695
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,960
like no you don't you know you think

696
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:24,480
about you know the Japanese internment

697
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:29,580
camps during the war you know they they

698
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,419
rounded people up you know I can see and

699
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:36,120
many others can see that type of thing

700
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:37,799
could happen with experiencers and

701
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:40,380
abductees because people would be scared

702
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:44,159
of you know of the contact or what we

703
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:47,159
may know or you know what we really are

704
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:49,860
you know all these silly things I mean

705
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,100
we have a lot of people that shouldn't

706
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:55,559
kill people for less than that you know

707
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:57,480
because they're

708
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:00,600
the wrong color or wear the wrong shirt

709
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:04,440
one day so you know I just

710
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:08,159
where people just let us be people

711
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:10,500
and um

712
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:14,520
you know I think it's important to Value

713
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,990
not just for who they are but for just

714
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,559
being a person

715
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:25,200
you know and and that's one thing I

716
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:28,260
think being an experiencer and being in

717
00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:32,100
the Consciousness and all of that really

718
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:36,140
is something that you learn or you just

719
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:40,320
are tied into more you know as you're in

720
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:41,580
it

721
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:44,340
the value of people in general and in

722
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:50,389
you and Julie really share that sense of

723
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:53,399
that love of humanity that I I hear the

724
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,220
same things coming from Julie regarding

725
00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:58,260
that that I hear from you and it it

726
00:33:01,450 --> 00:33:00,179
makes sense why you guys are good

727
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,460
friends

728
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,539
Deb I don't want to cut you off if

729
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:05,360
there's more if there's something more

730
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,760
no I I definitely agree with you and

731
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:11,039
that's all I wanted to say I I know that

732
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:14,580
in my own experience with my son who um

733
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,480
has a chromosome deletion the reaction

734
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:20,880
from the medical people was they wanted

735
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:22,980
to treat him like a guinea pig so I

736
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:25,260
highly oppose that I'm like nope you're

737
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:26,940
not gonna know anything you're not gonna

738
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:29,340
do anything but experiment with him and

739
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:34,080
collect some data so no thank you so I

740
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,230
um

741
00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:42,000
Linda you know you've been married I

742
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,500
read in your bio you've been married for

743
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,840
41 years and by the way the bio you know

744
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:48,720
in terms of you speaking writing uh

745
00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:51,659
speaking professionally outside of this

746
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:54,539
topic inside this topic it's it's one of

747
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,260
those resumes that just covers like you

748
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:01,440
know the entire panoply of of of of of a

749
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:03,720
person uh which is beautiful you know

750
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:06,360
you're business oriented you know you're

751
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,040
paralegal you know you have all these

752
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:10,800
different skill sets uh in in addition

753
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:12,359
to the wisdom that you've gained through

754
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:13,980
this contact that

755
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:16,020
not a lot of people have had I mean I

756
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:17,580
don't know when I say not a lot I mean

757
00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:20,520
relative to the world's population

758
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:24,179
um has your husband ever awoke to found

759
00:34:28,609 --> 00:34:26,700
that find that you weren't there that

760
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:28,619
you had been with

761
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,609
yes

762
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:36,480
um

763
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:38,220
yeah

764
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,970
like

765
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:49,669
when I'm listening to the planes go by

766
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:53,639
um one morning this has been maybe four

767
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:57,540
or five years ago maybe longer he um it

768
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,960
was this house and in the morning when I

769
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:03,119
woke up he's like where were you last

770
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,500
night

771
00:35:09,790 --> 00:35:06,480
and I was like what are you talking

772
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:13,730
he goes no you weren't he says I looked

773
00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:17,160
everywhere and we have five floors okay

774
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:21,020
this is everywhere

775
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:26,160
and he says okay so and your the cars

776
00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:27,119
were here

777
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:29,579
the doors were bolted

778
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,589
um but I couldn't find you anywhere

779
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:38,760
and I said well

780
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:45,430
I mean

781
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:48,900
I I don't know what to tell you you know

782
00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:52,619
what's his reaction to that it was it

783
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:54,300
was just like

784
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:56,940
okay

785
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:00,359
um you know he's he's learned

786
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:03,720
you know to accept things more and more

787
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:05,579
over the years I mean when we were first

788
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:09,300
married yeah almost 42 years ago you

789
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,820
know he didn't believe in ghosts or

790
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:14,640
anything well he's had to change a lot

791
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:16,920
of things

792
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:21,480
over the years of what he can agree and

793
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:25,260
you know believe in things so yeah

794
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:27,240
you rebuilt them like the Six Million

795
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:28,500
Dollar Man

796
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,780
I guess

797
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:34,079
it was like we were married I think

798
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:35,460
I think 40 years

799
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:39,000
and he tells me and then tells our son

800
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:40,320
separate

801
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:44,940
that he had a near-death experience at

802
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:48,599
least once when he when he was young and

803
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:49,280
um

804
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:51,960
and my son still thinks that's funny

805
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,300
because you know my husband's an

806
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:57,839
engineer and a very serious person and

807
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:01,260
and he's like I can't believe dad waited

808
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:03,780
this long to tell us

809
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,270
Michael it's not like not like he went

810
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:10,800
into a lot of detail but you know he

811
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,339
both he told both of us separate and so

812
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,040
you know I always saw my son this year

813
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,560
earlier in the year and he still thought

814
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,560
that was really funny you know

815
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:24,960
it's emblematic of the entire population

816
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,500
it's very difficult to tell people you

817
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,160
know now you know after I saw a UFO I

818
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:34,920
had an experience I was abducted I saw

819
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:37,980
Bigfoot people are like I saw I turned

820
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:40,740
uh from Arizona a husband former Army

821
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,420
guy that says like I don't believe you

822
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:45,119
and like this lady was like running like

823
00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:47,339
screaming toward their truck got in the

824
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:49,619
truck and said I want to go home now and

825
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:51,300
he's like why and she's like I want to

826
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:54,180
go home now I saw blank and he's like I

827
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:56,940
he didn't believe her that's why people

828
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:58,260
don't want to talk about it that's

829
00:38:01,849 --> 00:37:59,460
probably why your husband want to talk

830
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:01,859
about his nde you know

831
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:04,619
so anyway let me turn you over to Nathan

832
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,119
before I get on to my next question

833
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:08,040
because this is just good it's just too

834
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,320
easy

835
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:12,720
it's fun great so um I wanted uh there's

836
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:15,900
a lot of talk now as as I think in the

837
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:18,359
community about experiencers and if only

838
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,500
we could uh get a better grasp on all of

839
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,780
the experiences and kind of come to some

840
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,839
uh conclusions uh related to what

841
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:29,520
everyone's going through so I was

842
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:31,140
wondering if you could you've talked

843
00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:32,520
with a lot of them you've had a lot of

844
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,339
experiences of your own if I wonder if

845
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:37,760
you could talk to what are some common

846
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,280
uh components of the experience and then

847
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:44,040
what are also some common uh messages

848
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,920
that are received from these experiences

849
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:49,200
what are conclusions that that

850
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:51,300
experiencers generally kind of Come Away

851
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:55,490
oh gosh

852
00:39:03,430 --> 00:38:58,619
um well there's so many

853
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:03,440
types of experiences and there's also

854
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:05,240
different

855
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,420
experiences in themselves you know

856
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:11,820
um there's really

857
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:14,040
you know people say that's all in your

858
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:17,220
intent and all of this and I don't

859
00:39:24,190 --> 00:39:20,339
I just can't get into that I mean maybe

860
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,200
it's because from the time I was

861
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,640
knee-high I was going through this stuff

862
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,800
and you know what did I know as a baby

863
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:30,240
you know

864
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:31,859
so

865
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,000
um

866
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:35,700
I have a hard time with that

867
00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:39,720
um I do know people who do see e5s that

868
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,320
have really bad experiences I have

869
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:46,140
people come to me about that all the

870
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:47,160
time

871
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:49,740
and they're like we're putting out good

872
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:52,800
ex intent and but we're still having

873
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:56,040
these you know so I'm sorry all I know

874
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:58,020
is what I'm told

875
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,359
um I know there's good experiences with

876
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:02,520
ce5

877
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:03,119
um

878
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:06,599
and that goes with just everything

879
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:10,680
um you know and what and things can be

880
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:14,460
mixed you know you you may not remember

881
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:17,160
I this is one of the things I thought of

882
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:20,760
after my regression and and talking to

883
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:24,660
him because I was like okay so I was

884
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,280
told I was given

885
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,680
a choice in the beginning whether to

886
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:32,160
remember my events and then I didn't

887
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,700
want to because of the fear I still

888
00:40:43,569 --> 00:40:39,119
remember you know events I just don't

889
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:43,579
remember every detail it seems like men

890
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,820
tend to remember things more than the

891
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:50,640
women and I personally think that's

892
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,099
because of what women go through during

893
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,579
the events that it's more personal

894
00:41:03,290 --> 00:40:58,859
with the women

895
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:03,300
um and so I think that's part of it

896
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:06,359
um but

897
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:12,710
you're not gonna know everything that

898
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,480
goes on with any of this

899
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:17,520
you know it's gonna you're probably

900
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:20,820
gonna have good regardless to how bad it

901
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:22,980
is and you're probably gonna have some

902
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:25,740
bad regardless of how good it is

903
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,680
that's from talking to I can't tell you

904
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:30,960
how many people

905
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:35,820
um and so I would just say that this is

906
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,380
what it is

907
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:39,599
you know sure there may be the good guys

908
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,420
and the bad guys but they could be like

909
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:44,579
humans and we all have some good and all

910
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:45,660
some bad

911
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:48,300
and it's just you know whatever the

912
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:52,500
agenda for the day is that you get

913
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:55,079
um as far as

914
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,040
um you know a lot there is a thing where

915
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:00,720
if you're by yourself

916
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:03,660
and you see a bright light in the star a

917
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,599
bright light in the sky and you think

918
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:08,400
it's a UFO

919
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:12,240
it could be and you very well could have

920
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,420
an experience you don't know about

921
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:18,720
um that is something that a lot of us

922
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:22,140
remove on investigators

923
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:27,480
know that is happens a lot

924
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:30,900
um and I think it's probably more likely

925
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:37,849
um and so there's like little bits and

926
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,160
pieces that you remember over the years

927
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:44,040
of what happened

928
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,180
um

929
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:48,000
I know supposedly that's like not

930
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:50,940
supposed to happen with you know the way

931
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,300
things they do but I think that part of

932
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:57,839
it's our body also giving us Clues

933
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:01,260
which also can shut down stuff so it's

934
00:43:04,329 --> 00:43:03,300
really interesting

935
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,339
um

936
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:07,079
I would just

937
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:11,040
say to you know I have people all the

938
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:13,500
time that come to me for help

939
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:14,940
and

940
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,940
um I keep the stuff confidential

941
00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:20,640
um and I can I refer people to other

942
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:23,579
people you know I'm on the ERT for move

943
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,480
on and as experience a resource team but

944
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:30,319
I have also referred people

945
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:34,319
high-end I've also referred people out

946
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:37,619
to other people including to

947
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:42,480
um Deb's support group people and so you

948
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,180
know it doesn't matter who

949
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,480
which tribe you're going to what matters

950
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:50,220
is that you're getting the help that you

951
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,980
need whatever that is at the time a lot

952
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:54,780
of times you just need somebody to talk

953
00:44:10,970 --> 00:43:55,740
to

954
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,980
feel better about it you know and

955
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:12,359
they'll say have you ever heard anything

956
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,180
like this before and I'm like yeah

957
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,099
you know

958
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:19,920
I have some experiences I'd like to

959
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:22,980
forget and block and

960
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,560
for example like the sloppy joes at my

961
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,200
high school cafeteria are something that

962
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,960
right Nathan I mean I'm yeah I feel like

963
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,359
I'm still wrestling with that kind of

964
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,339
upset you mentioned it actually it's

965
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,800
yeah and flashbacks now yeah it's not

966
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:39,480
it's not great yeah it's a dark dark

967
00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:42,740
time we'll move on

968
00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:47,339
so in in researching this phenomenon

969
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:50,819
um and experience or encounters

970
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,920
um one thing that I have noticed is that

971
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,140
there could be considerably more people

972
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:57,599
who have had experiences they don't

973
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,660
remember so my question is do you think

974
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:03,060
that you could give us some of those

975
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:04,980
indicators

976
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,420
um some of the things that are kind of

977
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,020
markers for that suppression

978
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:11,520
yeah

979
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,060
um

980
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:14,640
well like like I said it can be

981
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:17,460
something just like blue lights at night

982
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,900
that just you just totally cannot handle

983
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:23,220
it

984
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,099
um sometimes you'll catch us uh unique

985
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:31,920
smell that takes you back to something

986
00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:37,079
or a touch there's

987
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:39,020
um different ones

988
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,780
Ann's gonna make me laugh she's sweet oh

989
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:44,640
yeah so I'm about to save the chip beef

990
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,440
until go get him Aunt Tyler

991
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:49,619
[Laughter]

992
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:52,140
um and so there's different things that

993
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:55,380
can trigger you and so

994
00:46:02,089 --> 00:45:58,380
um you know it's good to write the stuff

995
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:02,099
down and just to be able to go back and

996
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:04,500
look at it you know I'll tell you the

997
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:07,859
stupidest thing that I have ever done I

998
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:10,260
think is when we moved from San Antonio

999
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,780
to

1000
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,359
Virginia

1001
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,760
um I threw away

1002
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:19,920
seven years

1003
00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:23,040
of journals what

1004
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,160
yes

1005
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,480
we're putting you in time out I'm just

1006
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:34,430
I mean I had a chest full of journals

1007
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:37,319
of everything and anything you can think

1008
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:38,460
of

1009
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,660
and I mean at the time it was like

1010
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:45,200
starting over

1011
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:49,319
but then it's like you know now just for

1012
00:46:56,170 --> 00:46:53,280
the documentation and the dates and all

1013
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:56,180
that stuff I wish I had them and I don't

1014
00:47:04,010 --> 00:46:58,920
and you know

1015
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,020
so I just have to push forward but and I

1016
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:05,760
think that was another one of the things

1017
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:07,859
that experiencers and their families

1018
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:12,319
like to get rid of evidence and it's not

1019
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:15,480
it's it's very

1020
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:16,740
um

1021
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:19,260
it's not conscious it's very

1022
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:22,619
subconscious what you're doing

1023
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,560
um everybody in my family does that you

1024
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,300
know has done it

1025
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,280
and so

1026
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,380
you know and later you go why did I do

1027
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:34,200
that well you know you don't have the

1028
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:37,619
evidence and so it didn't happen right

1029
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:41,339
that's the way people think

1030
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:45,599
so I I agree with you I have this

1031
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:47,880
feeling uh my high school yearbook is

1032
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:50,220
gone and every a lot of people some

1033
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:52,140
people in the community know that I'm

1034
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:53,880
very close with my high school I have a

1035
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:55,740
podcast I do with my high school

1036
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,619
classmates once a month and if I could

1037
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,200
get my yearbook I have a I have a a race

1038
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,420
bike a motorcycle I built up for the

1039
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:05,760
track I would literally trade

1040
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,579
that motorcycle for my yearbook with the

1041
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:11,280
inscriptions in it literally I would say

1042
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:14,339
bye bye hand over the title to it and

1043
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,400
and Say Goodbye so those things mean a

1044
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:19,680
lot and so I understand that and people

1045
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,180
in this community would really value

1046
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:23,700
tremendously what whatever your thoughts

1047
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,339
and your journals were at the time

1048
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,599
um

1049
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,420
this is going to be a two-parter

1050
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:31,680
um

1051
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,140
were you in the single digits or double

1052
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,540
digits before you

1053
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:39,119
you asked yourself why me

1054
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:41,220
in terms of your age

1055
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:42,780
single

1056
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,420
that's what I thought

1057
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,760
and did do you have a sense of what they

1058
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:50,160
want from you or have they made that

1059
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,140
clear to you through their

1060
00:48:59,950 --> 00:48:57,470
um I've had different

1061
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:02,630
responsibilities or whatever throughout

1062
00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:04,740
my life

1063
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,579
um

1064
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:08,640
uh I was through the hybridization

1065
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:14,450
um a teacher

1066
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,400
um that's always been something very

1067
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:19,200
natural to me

1068
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,440
I'm also told that they learn through me

1069
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:28,260
what I'm going through and what I'm

1070
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:29,940
doing

1071
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:30,599
um

1072
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:35,040
and so you know that's part of it I mean

1073
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:39,300
I did get downloads and

1074
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:40,619
um

1075
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:44,760
you know it's just on and on but

1076
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,260
um I don't think for most women or for

1077
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:52,800
men men don't talk about as much but if

1078
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:55,619
you go through hybridization I don't

1079
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:58,140
think that your purpose

1080
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,839
just stops when you're finished with

1081
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:02,460
that and that

1082
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:05,700
you can just hide from them

1083
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:08,040
um from that point on I don't think

1084
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:10,980
that's typical

1085
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:15,720
um you may not be used as often

1086
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:18,300
but I think that they will still

1087
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:22,609
um

1088
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:23,700
I

1089
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:29,700
kind of thing but yeah please

1090
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,619
so

1091
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:33,720
well

1092
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:36,359
this I'm third generation my

1093
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:40,140
granddaughter is fifth generation wow

1094
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:44,280
my we know five generations you know who

1095
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:47,400
knows it could go way back

1096
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:50,960
um and I am hearing more through the ERT

1097
00:50:57,609 --> 00:50:54,599
that five generations is what they're

1098
00:51:02,690 --> 00:50:57,619
hearing more and more from people

1099
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,700
so um like my grandmother when she was

1100
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:04,559
in her

1101
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:08,819
80s called me and um

1102
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:11,700
and she lived to be 103.

1103
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,400
um but she called me one day to tell me

1104
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,040
that the nice space people had given her

1105
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:20,640
and my aunt a ride and had taken their

1106
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,599
car and got him home faster and I'm

1107
00:51:29,530 --> 00:51:26,940
thinking oh my gosh

1108
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:29,540
and Nathan bought that Tesla

1109
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:31,880
and yeah

1110
00:51:37,609 --> 00:51:34,980
well okay so this would have been really

1111
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:37,619
cute and really funny except for the

1112
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:41,880
fact that the car was pretty damaged and

1113
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:45,359
that the windshield was black and purple

1114
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:48,540
and gold and Blues

1115
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:51,720
and had to be replaced

1116
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:56,880
and so yeah it it wasn't funny it wasn't

1117
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,940
old age it was really something that

1118
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:00,800
happened

1119
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,180
so yeah

1120
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:06,000
this fourth and fifth generation

1121
00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:09,540
did you have to prepare them or you know

1122
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:12,140
your daughter I mean

1123
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,579
you know like how did you approach that

1124
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:16,680
does is that like the conversation like

1125
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:18,359
the birds and the bees like this is

1126
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,460
gonna happen to you guys

1127
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:21,960
no because

1128
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:25,380
you know your whole life your your

1129
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:26,339
yourself

1130
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:27,540
you know

1131
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:31,140
and and the funny thing was okay okay my

1132
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:33,480
mom wouldn't take me anywhere I wasn't

1133
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:36,599
allowed to like go to friends houses or

1134
00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:38,819
anything was little because she never

1135
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:40,940
knew what I was going to talk about okay

1136
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:44,760
so I was very isolated

1137
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:46,500
um

1138
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:49,380
I know I was taken with my son when he

1139
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,619
was a baby several times

1140
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,520
um

1141
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:56,400
okay there were many things I knew with

1142
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:01,440
my son that involved it but he had no

1143
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:05,280
conscious memory of it

1144
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:07,880
um he had a big event

1145
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:11,339
that was Major that probably resulted in

1146
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:13,260
my granddaughter

1147
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:16,880
um him being able to have a child

1148
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,920
and I knew it happened my husband knew

1149
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,079
it happened because

1150
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:24,480
we were talking on the phone with him he

1151
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:26,099
had called us at two o'clock in the

1152
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:28,500
morning while he was driving from LA to

1153
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,380
San Francisco

1154
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:31,920
and

1155
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:35,280
he's talking about the bright lights in

1156
00:53:38,089 --> 00:53:37,079
the sky they're really strange bright

1157
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,099
lights

1158
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:40,500
and the next thing we know the phone was

1159
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:41,579
dead

1160
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:47,220
what had happened to him

1161
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:53,099
okay and yeah as a mom you you how can

1162
00:53:59,569 --> 00:53:56,520
you sleep after that okay

1163
00:54:03,170 --> 00:53:59,579
um he called about 11 30 the next day

1164
00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:03,180
said he had no clue where he was that he

1165
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:06,500
was out somewhere he was going to stop

1166
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:10,020
nowhere near where he was supposed to be

1167
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:13,859
and he and his fiancee had a big fight

1168
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:16,440
about it because he was so late and

1169
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:17,940
everything

1170
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:21,540
okay so you have that

1171
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,750
okay so his life after that was blocked

1172
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,680
totally blocked

1173
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:34,800
and I knew it and I knew what had

1174
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,359
happened

1175
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:39,119
and I talked to a friend of mine who's a

1176
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,540
ufologist that handles abductees

1177
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:45,839
and I said okay so what do I do

1178
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,020
am I supposed to just wait for him to

1179
00:54:53,049 --> 00:54:51,780
come to his own conclusion about what

1180
00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:53,059
happened

1181
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:56,540
and he said yeah he says you need to

1182
00:55:01,790 --> 00:55:00,960
yeah really interesting he said you need

1183
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:01,800
to

1184
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:04,740
and what he

1185
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,599
he finally realized that the daughter

1186
00:55:14,349 --> 00:55:11,760
would not have been born if it wasn't

1187
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:14,359
for what happened that weekend

1188
00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:17,940
that he believes that they operated on

1189
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:20,579
him and fixed him

1190
00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:21,300
um

1191
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:23,579
because he had been in a severe

1192
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:25,980
motorcycle accident

1193
00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:26,700
um

1194
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:28,200
the year

1195
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:30,900
well four years before that

1196
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:32,460
and he wasn't supposed to be able to

1197
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:33,900
have children

1198
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,780
his fiancee at the time

1199
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,960
um she

1200
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:40,980
wasn't supposed to be able to have

1201
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:44,160
children either the doctor didn't think

1202
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:48,420
so then they ended up having the the

1203
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:51,660
baby okay well

1204
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,119
okay so then all of that fast forward

1205
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:56,160
and he realized

1206
00:56:01,490 --> 00:55:59,400
that's why that happened

1207
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,500
and so then we were able to talk about

1208
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,839
it because he came to me and asked me

1209
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:05,460
about it and I said I've been waiting

1210
00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:07,380
for you to

1211
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:10,280
come to that conclusion you know

1212
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,140
to process it on your own now that's

1213
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:15,119
more difficult with my granddaughter

1214
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:16,380
okay

1215
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,619
because she has been going through the

1216
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:21,900
things I went through

1217
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,500
and I mean and she's

1218
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,359
from the time she was a year old she

1219
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:30,240
could use the iPhone it was she could

1220
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:33,720
she could call me she could do all this

1221
00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:34,680
stuff

1222
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,319
and her mom thought she was just

1223
00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:39,839
babbling on the phone playing and I'm

1224
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:42,260
like hello

1225
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:45,059
okay well since she learned how to draw

1226
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:49,619
pictures on the iPhone and she sent one

1227
00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:52,859
to me and as soon as I saw it I knew she

1228
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:56,900
had been taken because it was the Galaxy

1229
00:57:02,690 --> 00:56:59,460
and the Stars

1230
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,700
okay she was like four years old

1231
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:05,520
why is she drawing the Galaxy with stars

1232
00:57:11,089 --> 00:57:07,859
right okay I've been drawing the Galaxy

1233
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:11,099
all my life I know what that means

1234
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,359
okay

1235
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:14,400
so

1236
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,339
um and then it just increased after that

1237
00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:19,200
okay

1238
00:57:26,569 --> 00:57:22,980
so yeah it's hard and I when I was there

1239
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:26,579
earlier this year we just I had a short

1240
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,800
time because I was going from move on

1241
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:31,200
home and I was like no I'm gonna stop

1242
00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:34,140
and see them in California before I come

1243
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:35,180
home

1244
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:39,000
and I only had like two days but and

1245
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:41,940
that's all we talked about was all of

1246
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:42,900
this

1247
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:46,020
my son said later I couldn't even talk

1248
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:48,599
to your mom because you and his wife

1249
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:51,359
were talking the whole time that's a

1250
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:53,460
phenomena he said I couldn't get a word

1251
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,609
this is ironic because I feel like we uh

1252
00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:00,720
we already are ready to book you for

1253
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:02,280
episode two because we're never going to

1254
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:04,859
get it all in Nathan there's there's

1255
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:08,099
just way too much that and so yeah we're

1256
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,359
gonna invite you back for episode two

1257
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:11,640
Nathan please go ahead sir I wanted to

1258
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:14,940
ask a uh a practical question so your

1259
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,880
experience uh with move on as a field

1260
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:19,920
investigator uh I've seen you tweet

1261
00:58:24,290 --> 00:58:21,240
about that a good bit

1262
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:24,300
um if somebody has an experience whether

1263
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:27,960
it be a sighting or a an experience but

1264
00:58:31,069 --> 00:58:30,059
it might be an abduction or whatnot what

1265
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,079
are the things that you would recommend

1266
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:33,540
that they do uh to kind of preserve the

1267
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,400
evidence or if they're trying to get

1268
00:58:39,049 --> 00:58:36,720
evidence what are the what's the best

1269
00:58:40,370 --> 00:58:39,059
kind of evidence to to try to get uh

1270
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,380
obviously everyone's always like why do

1271
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:42,000
you take a photo well I mean we all know

1272
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,380
that could be really challenging to do

1273
00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:46,140
even when it's not a UFO we have trouble

1274
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:47,579
taking photos of things that just happen

1275
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:49,740
you know around us all the time right

1276
00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:51,780
what's some advice you'd give to those

1277
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:53,819
folks uh that are going to reach out to

1278
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:55,380
move on and want them to investigate

1279
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:56,460
what are the things they can do to

1280
00:58:59,210 --> 00:58:57,720
prepare for that

1281
00:59:02,930 --> 00:58:59,220
okay

1282
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,940
um as far as the photos or images if you

1283
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:05,280
can do it if you can take it on your

1284
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:08,460
phone or whatever in raw it takes up

1285
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:12,079
more space but you get a better image

1286
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:16,200
don't zoom in

1287
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:20,640
it makes it very grainy and then also we

1288
00:59:26,210 --> 00:59:22,380
need perspective

1289
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:26,220
so if there are those electric lines or

1290
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:29,819
a tree at least that helps us to gauge

1291
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:32,819
the size of what it is if there's power

1292
00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:35,460
lines that's important

1293
00:59:40,030 --> 00:59:37,079
um there's many things that people

1294
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:40,040
wouldn't think about that are important

1295
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:44,160
and so if we can see it it helps

1296
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,920
um draw if you don't if you didn't take

1297
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:49,680
a picture at least draw it out

1298
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:52,380
put the directions all that kind of

1299
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:53,940
stuff

1300
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:54,720
um

1301
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:57,960
and so there's a lot of things that you

1302
01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:01,380
can do besides just taking photos

1303
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:04,200
um it we need to know the direction that

1304
01:00:11,329 --> 01:00:08,280
you were facing when you saw it and then

1305
01:00:14,809 --> 01:00:11,339
what direction it went

1306
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:14,819
um one tip somebody had that was really

1307
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,000
good was that if you're like on dirt

1308
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:20,400
just like

1309
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:23,760
take your foot and move your foot so

1310
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,980
that you know where you were standing

1311
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:28,079
when you first saw it so then you can

1312
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,660
look and see what direction it was

1313
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:33,000
afterwards

1314
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:36,720
um so there's different tips like that

1315
01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:39,780
um sounds were there sounds where

1316
01:00:47,410 --> 01:00:43,559
they're airplanes because I can often

1317
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:47,420
not always but I can often synchronize

1318
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:51,839
uh a jet going over a commercial plane

1319
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:55,500
going over with the siding time which

1320
01:01:00,589 --> 01:00:58,740
helps to document it plus if you can

1321
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:00,599
tell the difference between a plane and

1322
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:04,859
a drone and a UFO that's helpful

1323
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,500
um I've been getting a lot of reports of

1324
01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:09,660
multiple UFOs

1325
01:01:15,710 --> 01:01:11,579
so

1326
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:15,720
um orbs and Spears Spears and cubes I

1327
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,200
had a Tic Tac and a disc one day on a

1328
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,119
video

1329
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:23,040
um we're seeing more of that where

1330
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:26,940
there's multiple types together

1331
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,059
um and so don't get hung a lot of people

1332
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:31,920
get hung up on what it's supposed to

1333
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:33,000
look like

1334
01:01:38,210 --> 01:01:35,640
and if it's supposed to make sound or

1335
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:38,220
not supposed to make sound don't get

1336
01:01:44,569 --> 01:01:41,460
hung up on any of that type of thing it

1337
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:44,579
just is what it is reported

1338
01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:47,220
regardless of the detail how small or

1339
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:49,799
big it is if you heard Birds if you

1340
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:52,559
didn't hear birds the dog was barking if

1341
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:55,140
it wasn't barking I mean all these

1342
01:01:59,049 --> 01:01:57,540
little things are important to

1343
01:02:01,130 --> 01:01:59,059
investigators

1344
01:02:04,010 --> 01:02:01,140
and um

1345
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,020
you know with orbs don't be friendly

1346
01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:07,440
with orbs so many people want to touch

1347
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:10,619
them or get closer don't do that because

1348
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:18,890
got it that's great and what about uh on

1349
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:21,720
on those abduction experiences uh you

1350
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:23,160
mentioned journaling maybe that's a good

1351
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,859
way to record those events what are

1352
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:27,359
things that investigators will typically

1353
01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:29,160
kind of ask about if you have something

1354
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,220
like that oh gosh there's so many things

1355
01:02:38,809 --> 01:02:35,839
I would say first off a lot of people

1356
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:38,819
you need to give yourself permission to

1357
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:40,020
remember

1358
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:43,260
okay this works

1359
01:02:49,130 --> 01:02:46,140
um you give yourself permission to

1360
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,140
remember what happened and I don't

1361
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:51,599
you know it could have happened 30 40

1362
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:55,440
years ago and it may sound funny to give

1363
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:57,780
yourself permission to remember it but

1364
01:03:01,609 --> 01:02:58,920
it works

1365
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:01,619
you're telling your brain it can finally

1366
01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:03,780
remember

1367
01:03:09,470 --> 01:03:07,260
um okay so yeah you write down what

1368
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:09,480
you're in member or anything whether

1369
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:12,780
it's the smells or textures

1370
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:16,440
um you know were you hot were you cold

1371
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,440
whatever you write it down

1372
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:22,559
um things that you think happened maybe

1373
01:03:27,410 --> 01:03:25,740
it didn't happen but a lot of times the

1374
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:27,420
things that you think

1375
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,420
happened but you were afraid to put down

1376
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:33,599
are the things that were important

1377
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:35,579
because you're you're trying you keep

1378
01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:37,859
trying to tell yourself this isn't real

1379
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,040
it's not happening when okay so you're

1380
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:43,980
throwing away a lot of important details

1381
01:03:47,089 --> 01:03:45,720
it's kind of like in

1382
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:47,099
um

1383
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:52,500
oh gosh in CRV when you are trying to

1384
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:55,500
you know make your notes and you keep

1385
01:04:00,010 --> 01:03:57,660
having these other little details flying

1386
01:04:02,809 --> 01:04:00,020
in when you're doing your remote viewing

1387
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:02,819
those little details may be junk but

1388
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:05,760
they also could be important so you need

1389
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,480
to write it down just like that

1390
01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:11,280
um do you guys get concerned whether

1391
01:04:15,470 --> 01:04:13,740
like they have a pedestal sink a

1392
01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:15,480
flushless urinal like would show their

1393
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:17,880
at least environmentally conscious you

1394
01:04:21,309 --> 01:04:18,480
know

1395
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,319
I mean those are things I would

1396
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:24,240
so I don't know if that's important or

1397
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:25,020
not

1398
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:27,780
I don't I don't know I guess if you see

1399
01:04:32,569 --> 01:04:30,900
whatever you see you write down okay you

1400
01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:32,579
know because I'm thinking all metallic

1401
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,440
Nathan it's kind of boring like sounds

1402
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:36,480
very smooth surfaced yeah like easy to

1403
01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:42,170
well I think that's a well you know in

1404
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,500
all seriousness that's a really good

1405
01:04:47,630 --> 01:04:45,359
point Linda because um

1406
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,640
we're always wanting to contextualize

1407
01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:49,500
we're always trying to make things fit

1408
01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:51,720
into things that we're comfortable with

1409
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,260
so you know the weird things we often

1410
01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:57,359
discard because they don't fit into what

1411
01:05:02,210 --> 01:04:59,400
we think should have happened or made

1412
01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:02,220
sense to have happened so it's a good

1413
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,619
exercise just to write it all down and

1414
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,720
and evaluate it later not kind of

1415
01:05:10,849 --> 01:05:09,119
discard a bunch of stuff and and make it

1416
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:10,859
into a story that may not have really

1417
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:14,520
been how it occurred right right

1418
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:17,880
yeah I mean it's

1419
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:20,819
if you get whether it's something you're

1420
01:05:26,809 --> 01:05:24,660
you're here or you have a download or

1421
01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:26,819
whatever it is I mean some people

1422
01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:29,540
automatic write whatever it is

1423
01:05:35,690 --> 01:05:33,480
you I mean you have to be aware that

1424
01:05:39,289 --> 01:05:35,700
at least some of it is

1425
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,299
probably means nothing okay I mean I

1426
01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:40,799
don't you know people that think

1427
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:45,780
everything matters and whatever

1428
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:49,200
um I don't take it I just know okay I've

1429
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:51,000
been dealing with this all my life I've

1430
01:05:55,609 --> 01:05:53,220
dealt with it with other people

1431
01:05:59,210 --> 01:05:55,619
and I just know that

1432
01:06:01,370 --> 01:05:59,220
things just don't happen that way so you

1433
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:01,380
know it's like people that Channel or

1434
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:03,059
whatever or whatever you want to call it

1435
01:06:09,650 --> 01:06:06,960
I don't take any of it

1436
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:09,660
a hundred I know you know I weigh

1437
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:11,940
everything and so

1438
01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:15,299
I don't I don't just accept a few

1439
01:06:23,390 --> 01:06:19,260
exceptions I don't throw it all out but

1440
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:23,400
um you know I do weigh it

1441
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:26,220
but you don't know that at the time so

1442
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:29,400
you just need to document what you can

1443
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:31,380
if only for you

1444
01:06:35,410 --> 01:06:33,299
mm-hmm

1445
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:35,420
that's great advice

1446
01:06:41,569 --> 01:06:38,880
in there before I go Bigfoot on uh okay

1447
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,579
go ahead well I want to address one of

1448
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,680
your other hats

1449
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:45,680
um is that you research quite a lot

1450
01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:48,420
objectively I might add

1451
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:51,720
um and you have left spread crumbs for

1452
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:53,400
people who are looking

1453
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,359
um things about Patel where crash

1454
01:07:03,170 --> 01:06:59,520
retrievals have happened so on and so

1455
01:07:05,690 --> 01:07:03,180
forth but I was wondering if you

1456
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,700
wanted to direct people to what you

1457
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:08,160
think might be the closest thing we have

1458
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:10,740
to a Smoking Gun if you think there's

1459
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:12,180
something that they should really look

1460
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:15,720
at if they feel like they need evidence

1461
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:19,440
beyond what I feel is a huge amount of

1462
01:07:25,549 --> 01:07:21,480
evidence but is there something you

1463
01:07:29,690 --> 01:07:27,109
I

1464
01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:29,700
think that experience here is an

1465
01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:33,000
abductees particularly have more answers

1466
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:36,020
than what people realize I mean

1467
01:07:43,609 --> 01:07:40,140
I am constantly amazed every week where

1468
01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:43,619
somebody on Twitter is like

1469
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:48,260
this is whatever whatever you know XYZ

1470
01:07:54,109 --> 01:07:51,960
right and I'm like we've been telling

1471
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:54,119
y'all that for years when are y'all

1472
01:08:02,029 --> 01:07:57,180
gonna start listening to us you know

1473
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:02,039
um evidence documents pictures you name

1474
01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:05,339
it it's not enough

1475
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,780
um yeah if they roll out bodies

1476
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:11,520
people are probably going to say it's

1477
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:14,760
Hollywood props if they bring out a

1478
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,259
flying saucer they're probably going to

1479
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,239
say it's Hollywood props

1480
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:21,000
I guess unless they come down and start

1481
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:23,219
shooting everybody nobody will take them

1482
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:26,219
seriously I mean serious

1483
01:08:33,530 --> 01:08:29,600
the government has spent over 70 years

1484
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:33,540
brainwashing people into believing none

1485
01:08:38,689 --> 01:08:34,980
of it's real

1486
01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:38,699
and so they've done a very good job at

1487
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:40,040
what they're doing

1488
01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:43,259
so much so that even the media has

1489
01:08:52,010 --> 01:08:46,620
bought in on what they've said

1490
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,020
um so I just don't know what evidence

1491
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:55,920
um I know Ben Henson who has worked with

1492
01:09:03,349 --> 01:08:58,560
mufon and does a lot of stuff on his

1493
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:03,359
other shows he's former FBI okay he's

1494
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:05,940
been working some awesome cases lately

1495
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:09,000
dealing with commercial airline pilots

1496
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:12,960
and he posted a new video today that was

1497
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:16,799
absolutely awesome okay I have a friend

1498
01:09:23,870 --> 01:09:20,759
who's a flight Stuart that lives in our

1499
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:23,880
community and I sent him the last one he

1500
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,420
did and he was like oh my gosh and so I

1501
01:09:31,849 --> 01:09:29,759
sent him this one this afternoon and I

1502
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:31,859
just got a text from him that he loved

1503
01:09:38,209 --> 01:09:37,140
it so you know but two years ago when I

1504
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:38,219
mentioned

1505
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:42,000
you know UFO casually to him he would he

1506
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:45,779
just gave me this look you know and so

1507
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:48,719
now he's getting into it because they're

1508
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,359
talking about it more and realizing that

1509
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:57,950
so yeah it's a very very difficult uh

1510
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:00,780
subject because it it's not really in

1511
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:03,120
their interest to have people be scared

1512
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:04,980
about something they can't control but

1513
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,840
yet we have a right to know so it's a

1514
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:09,600
big you know it's a big Balancing Act

1515
01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:13,980
and um you know it's not quite clear uh

1516
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,580
what was the correct way to go and given

1517
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:19,860
the time you know the when you study

1518
01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:22,199
like historiography they tell you the

1519
01:10:27,229 --> 01:10:24,780
time that something occurs you can't

1520
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:27,239
judge history based on today's value

1521
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:30,120
sets and and today's thought processes

1522
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:36,360
on uh on social uh aspects Etc well 1947

1523
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:38,280
was 1947 it was a totally different

1524
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:40,380
world than it is today so we have to

1525
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:45,120
judge it against 1947. all that said uh

1526
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:49,080
um ma'am the Bigfoot incident uh you

1527
01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:51,300
that you had I was just this was a

1528
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:52,440
backyard

1529
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:55,739
situation or can you it was front yard

1530
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:58,920
front yard front Nathan not backyard

1531
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:02,400
front yard okay amazing

1532
01:11:05,850 --> 01:11:04,260
so he's uh

1533
01:11:09,790 --> 01:11:05,860
like a pizza delivery right

1534
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:09,800
[Laughter]

1535
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,460
well we live we live on Wetlands

1536
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:17,280
um there's like I don't know hundreds of

1537
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:20,880
Acres of woods and lakes and

1538
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:23,820
everything behind us and to the sides of

1539
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:26,820
us and so

1540
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:27,440
um

1541
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:31,739
one day I go out this is maybe maybe two

1542
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:34,140
or three years ago I go out in their

1543
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:37,620
front yard and I don't know how to

1544
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,380
really describe it other than

1545
01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:42,000
there were

1546
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:43,320
sticks

1547
01:11:48,590 --> 01:11:45,300
that were

1548
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,600
intricately laid out like a wreath kind

1549
01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:51,120
of thing but going

1550
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,540
you know almost like I should have drawn

1551
01:11:58,669 --> 01:11:56,400
it out but

1552
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,930
it took a lot of time okay to do this it

1553
01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:05,280
wasn't something somebody just threw

1554
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:06,540
there

1555
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,179
a politics and then it had like flowers

1556
01:12:16,970 --> 01:12:15,120
with it okay

1557
01:12:19,209 --> 01:12:16,980
and

1558
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:19,219
I mean it drew my attention right away

1559
01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:22,260
because it was so odd

1560
01:12:26,570 --> 01:12:24,420
in the middle of the night

1561
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,580
okay so I went and worked on our

1562
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:29,520
security camera and the security camera

1563
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,550
you know slice

1564
01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:42,709
and then it was okay

1565
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:46,020
it was just that one place totally black

1566
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:48,420
and then it was okay

1567
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:53,219
and so I was like I mean I knew what it

1568
01:13:01,450 --> 01:12:56,400
was now I had seen to me what looked

1569
01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:01,460
like a den near us a few years ago

1570
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:04,380
but somebody else said well maybe that's

1571
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:06,540
a bear's place and it was like okay

1572
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:10,260
maybe we haven't seen a bear here I

1573
01:13:13,930 --> 01:13:12,300
wouldn't be surprised

1574
01:13:18,169 --> 01:13:13,940
because I

1575
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:18,179
and so so yeah I mean

1576
01:13:22,669 --> 01:13:20,940
it was just too unique in the middle of

1577
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:22,679
the night

1578
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:25,980
then that one frame

1579
01:13:32,410 --> 01:13:28,440
gone

1580
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:32,420
so yeah and you know I showed somebody

1581
01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:37,920
the the like a Zone um

1582
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,640
drone shot that a realtor in our

1583
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:44,159
neighborhood took of the back of our

1584
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:48,000
property that goes way past and it's all

1585
01:13:52,610 --> 01:13:50,580
woods and everything and she's like wow

1586
01:13:54,910 --> 01:13:52,620
that would be a good Bigfoot area and

1587
01:13:57,530 --> 01:13:54,920
I'm like apparently

1588
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,540
yeah and the structures that they build

1589
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:59,880
made out of logs are not something that

1590
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:02,159
a bear could or would build obviously

1591
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,260
they don't have the the thought the

1592
01:14:08,990 --> 01:14:06,780
opposable thumbs there's certain uh

1593
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,000
alignments of trees that they make x's

1594
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:11,520
they make like a these very they don't

1595
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,380
look like a human made them but they

1596
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:14,880
definitely look like they were purposely

1597
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:17,760
put in that Arrangement and they also

1598
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:20,940
lay down the pine Bowls the the the the

1599
01:14:24,649 --> 01:14:22,860
branches with the bowels to make a bed

1600
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:24,659
because they understand that you need

1601
01:14:29,689 --> 01:14:27,239
that airflow underneath in order to not

1602
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:29,699
feel the cold of the ground so so yeah

1603
01:14:33,470 --> 01:14:31,320
that's not something like a bear or a

1604
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:33,480
cougar would make something like that

1605
01:14:38,209 --> 01:14:35,880
so that's really interesting though that

1606
01:14:40,090 --> 01:14:38,219
I'm surprised that they haven't tried to

1607
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,100
make contact with you

1608
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,679
uh uh you know a lot of I mean a lot of

1609
01:14:47,330 --> 01:14:45,600
people I've heard I shouldn't say a lot

1610
01:14:49,729 --> 01:14:47,340
of people I've heard several people that

1611
01:14:52,010 --> 01:14:49,739
said that they're a they hear they hear

1612
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:52,020
them in their head uh credible people

1613
01:14:58,010 --> 01:14:55,080
that say that and that they can respond

1614
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:58,020
in kind the way that some people you

1615
01:15:03,709 --> 01:14:59,880
know speak with the phenomenon through

1616
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,719
that that that speak uh there is a

1617
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:05,460
police officer he's actually coming on

1618
01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:08,280
the show uh named Rick Taylor I think

1619
01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:10,920
we're having him in November he was a

1620
01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:13,980
retired Texas police officer who had an

1621
01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:16,199
experience just fishing with his son and

1622
01:15:19,970 --> 01:15:17,820
then decided hey I'm retired I'm going

1623
01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:19,980
to go into investigation of this this

1624
01:15:23,530 --> 01:15:22,679
topic you know I got time and uh in

1625
01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:23,540
Oklahoma

1626
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,520
a uh a woman named Arlo Williams who's

1627
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,520
pretty famous in their community

1628
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:32,159
um introduced him to some Sasquatch and

1629
01:15:35,930 --> 01:15:34,440
they spoke in his head and he would not

1630
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:35,940
have believed it if it didn't happen to

1631
01:15:40,669 --> 01:15:38,280
him so

1632
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:40,679
uh but yeah so I'm surprised I haven't

1633
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:44,219
contacted you but uh let's go on to uh

1634
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:46,860
is Debs is it you now or is it Nathan

1635
01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:48,900
I'm sorry I lost track

1636
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:51,420
I I honestly lost track too I was so

1637
01:15:56,450 --> 01:15:54,300
intrigued by the Bigfoot I think it's

1638
01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:56,460
dead I've got the other UFO type

1639
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:58,140
questions but go ahead

1640
01:16:02,209 --> 01:15:59,940
I'm gonna go with the Bigfoot question

1641
01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:02,219
because I have noticed a lot of

1642
01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:05,580
parallels not only between Bigfoot and

1643
01:16:10,430 --> 01:16:08,580
non-human intelligence but also you know

1644
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:10,440
the other paranormal things that people

1645
01:16:16,970 --> 01:16:13,320
touch on it just seems like the more I

1646
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:16,980
research the more I find these parallels

1647
01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:20,640
um like the emoting the telepathy

1648
01:16:25,130 --> 01:16:22,440
um you know even things that go as far

1649
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:25,140
as Poltergeist activity which um

1650
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,060
unfortunately Bigfoot has also gotten

1651
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:28,800
some credit for

1652
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:30,540
um so I was just wondering what you

1653
01:16:36,649 --> 01:16:33,900
think is going on in the overall scheme

1654
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,659
of all of the Paranormal

1655
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:38,640
I mean it's a big question sorry but

1656
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,820
what was going on

1657
01:16:44,570 --> 01:16:42,960
are you asking her do you see an

1658
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:44,580
attachment to Bigfoot in the other

1659
01:16:50,990 --> 01:16:48,659
aspects of of of paranormal oh yeah and

1660
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:51,000
all of it okay

1661
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:55,679
I think somehow it's all interrelated

1662
01:16:58,689 --> 01:16:56,760
um

1663
01:17:02,649 --> 01:16:58,699
you know

1664
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:02,659
it could be completely different things

1665
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:08,100
using this similar mode of you know

1666
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,739
whatever it is I'm not going to say

1667
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:12,480
travel

1668
01:17:17,209 --> 01:17:13,140
um

1669
01:17:19,870 --> 01:17:17,219
you know I I called the beings in

1670
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:19,880
general and other things of that type

1671
01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:23,940
the others generally because

1672
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:25,080
um

1673
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:29,520
I don't really call them out as aliens

1674
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:32,159
and I don't really

1675
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:35,400
I don't know I guess beings is probably

1676
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:36,719
as

1677
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:43,920
but I think in book Bigfoot you know

1678
01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:46,860
there seems to be plenty of evidence

1679
01:17:50,649 --> 01:17:49,320
that it's physical but then it does

1680
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:50,659
other stuff

1681
01:17:57,290 --> 01:17:54,300
and you know

1682
01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:57,300
and it's connected to other things and a

1683
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:00,900
lot of Bigfoot people say that you you

1684
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:03,840
see the UFOs or you see the beings with

1685
01:18:11,149 --> 01:18:08,280
them or nearby and you see some

1686
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,159
um UFO investigators that talk about it

1687
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:13,440
the same way that you know that they

1688
01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:15,000
have cases

1689
01:18:20,270 --> 01:18:17,460
with them

1690
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:20,280
um I haven't run into that yet

1691
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:24,900
I know technically we're not supposed to

1692
01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:30,320
we're supposed to not do that in move on

1693
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,219
kind of a recent thing this year but I

1694
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:37,920
mean we're pretty resourceful people and

1695
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:41,820
so we're not gonna say Susie saw a

1696
01:18:48,970 --> 01:18:44,940
Bigfoot last night we're gonna say you

1697
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:52,790
humanoid or being and had kind of long

1698
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:55,679
brown hair and you know we're not going

1699
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:57,960
to use words that could trip up the

1700
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:00,960
computers at headquarters to you know

1701
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:03,960
that kind of thing so

1702
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:07,260
um you know we just have to do what we

1703
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:10,920
need to do to investigate things

1704
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:13,020
and I'm not being interviewed here but

1705
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:15,420
my feeling today and this could change

1706
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:18,719
like five days from now my feeling today

1707
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:22,320
is that like you know when Nathan and

1708
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,120
Debs and I we've spoken with like Dan

1709
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:26,880
Warren about uh ancient structures and

1710
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:28,620
how they may have been built and maybe

1711
01:19:34,490 --> 01:19:31,679
certain abilities that our ancestors had

1712
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,500
that we have lost touch with over our

1713
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:37,199
Evolution if if you want to call it that

1714
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:41,280
and I believe at today and I again I I

1715
01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:43,620
I'm gonna evolve and develop as I learn

1716
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,500
more about Sasquatch or Bigfoot that

1717
01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:48,480
they have this sort of ability to use

1718
01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:51,420
sound to make you feel emotion they're

1719
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:55,140
able to project fear onto you with this

1720
01:19:59,209 --> 01:19:56,940
in what they call infrasound something

1721
01:20:02,030 --> 01:19:59,219
I'm not familiar with decibel level that

1722
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,040
is off the top of my head and they can

1723
01:20:06,350 --> 01:20:04,560
also in some of the homeowners that

1724
01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:06,360
they've become close with not

1725
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,980
necessarily homeowners that are gifting

1726
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:09,840
them but just homeowners that for

1727
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,659
whatever reason they see a child or they

1728
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:14,880
see a mother and they feel close to them

1729
01:20:18,970 --> 01:20:16,620
they've been able to make them feel love

1730
01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:18,980
so somehow they're able to project

1731
01:20:24,290 --> 01:20:21,960
feeling you're in the woods you're

1732
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:24,300
approaching their children or their

1733
01:20:29,209 --> 01:20:26,760
their females and they want you to feel

1734
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,219
fear and they let out this noise and

1735
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:31,440
people immediately freeze they

1736
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:35,040
physically soil themselves and and that

1737
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:36,420
is not the creature coming over and

1738
01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:38,280
smacking you in the head at which case

1739
01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:40,260
your head would now be not attached to

1740
01:20:44,450 --> 01:20:42,179
your body but it's telling you I don't

1741
01:20:47,689 --> 01:20:44,460
want you here anymore I want you to to

1742
01:20:49,610 --> 01:20:47,699
turn around and go so I believe that

1743
01:20:52,490 --> 01:20:49,620
they have retained some of these

1744
01:20:55,010 --> 01:20:52,500
abilities that maybe make them appear

1745
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:55,020
Supernatural but they've just developed

1746
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,300
them over many many years the ability to

1747
01:21:01,130 --> 01:20:59,040
sort of hide that makes it look like

1748
01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:01,140
they're cloaking but their mission in

1749
01:21:07,729 --> 01:21:04,920
life is hide eat and protect your

1750
01:21:09,410 --> 01:21:07,739
territory and your young your women and

1751
01:21:11,149 --> 01:21:09,420
your young

1752
01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:11,159
yeah

1753
01:21:15,229 --> 01:21:13,500
right

1754
01:21:16,669 --> 01:21:15,239
so I don't know how you feel about that

1755
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:16,679
not that anybody I'm not being

1756
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:19,679
interviewed here I swear anyway

1757
01:21:26,090 --> 01:21:22,739
um so that was Debs I think we're on to

1758
01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:26,100
me and I was gonna ask you about a

1759
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:28,140
Richard Dodie incident that I uh excuse

1760
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:30,300
me a Richard Doty narrative that he

1761
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:33,060
spoke at a conference recently and it

1762
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:36,840
was on it was actually ironically on uh

1763
01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:39,360
uh I think Nathan shared this with me I

1764
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:40,500
don't know if it was Sasquatch

1765
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:43,080
Chronicles or if it was Bigfoot

1766
01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:45,060
eyewitness radio but in any case it was

1767
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:47,400
Richard Doty the entire episode was

1768
01:21:51,709 --> 01:21:49,739
Richard Doty at a conference speaking

1769
01:21:55,729 --> 01:21:51,719
about an incident that happened in

1770
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:55,739
Nevada whereby there was a mother father

1771
01:22:01,790 --> 01:21:58,260
two children in the back seat of the car

1772
01:22:05,330 --> 01:22:01,800
near Tonopah Air Base ironically and

1773
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,340
they saw a craft uh the craft was quite

1774
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:07,199
close to their car in front of their car

1775
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:09,719
it scared them they pulled over they

1776
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:11,360
exited the car

1777
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:13,620
they tried to hide behind a bush

1778
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:15,840
basically you know how that is in Nevada

1779
01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:17,580
with the brush and the you know the

1780
01:22:23,570 --> 01:22:21,300
Tumbleweeds and stuff and um and and the

1781
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:23,580
two a beam came out and the two children

1782
01:22:29,689 --> 01:22:26,580
floated into the craft and I believe

1783
01:22:32,330 --> 01:22:29,699
they I don't know if they were found six

1784
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:32,340
or eight hours later near Tonopah by

1785
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:35,580
Security Police uh meanwhile the parents

1786
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,620
are at the sheriff have you heard that

1787
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:40,080
story uh or heard that narrative through

1788
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:41,940
your your contacts

1789
01:22:47,689 --> 01:22:44,760
I haven't heard that story

1790
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:47,699
you know taught by him

1791
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:52,020
um it does sound very familiar to things

1792
01:22:57,169 --> 01:22:52,800
um

1793
01:22:59,810 --> 01:22:57,179
and a lot of these beings do float and I

1794
01:23:03,169 --> 01:22:59,820
can see where they could

1795
01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:03,179
get people to float also

1796
01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:06,360
um that would be very easy for them most

1797
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:08,460
likely

1798
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:12,000
um I have experienced them floating and

1799
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:13,739
I don't know

1800
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:17,820
I assumed they floated me with them in

1801
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:22,320
one event because I'm sure I was passed

1802
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:26,159
out at that point from from Fear

1803
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:29,760
um so yeah

1804
01:23:33,169 --> 01:23:30,360
um

1805
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:33,179
that doesn't surprise me

1806
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:36,480
um I've heard many things

1807
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:37,080
um

1808
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:41,040
I've heard of accidents with

1809
01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:44,400
children or adults where people have

1810
01:23:50,510 --> 01:23:47,580
gotten injured because they were dropped

1811
01:23:52,729 --> 01:23:50,520
wrong or they would put the wrong place

1812
01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:52,739
and that kind of thing

1813
01:23:57,770 --> 01:23:55,140
I wouldn't be surprised

1814
01:23:59,410 --> 01:23:57,780
at anything that could happen

1815
01:24:04,669 --> 01:23:59,420
wow

1816
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:04,679
pretty wild

1817
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,000
um by the way I just want to shout out

1818
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:08,159
to another experiencer who's in our chat

1819
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:10,920
right there alien pickle I'm sure he's a

1820
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:12,540
fan of yours and he is a fellow

1821
01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:14,640
experiencer so just want to shout out to

1822
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:17,460
alien pickle and let me pass it over to

1823
01:24:22,450 --> 01:24:19,080
money Nathan

1824
01:24:25,610 --> 01:24:22,460
I was going to ask

1825
01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:25,620
your sense of reality is no doubt

1826
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:29,699
different than the normal persons right

1827
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,739
um you mentioned that uh you know this

1828
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:33,420
is affected your entire life right so

1829
01:24:37,070 --> 01:24:35,040
it's changed the way you look at the

1830
01:24:39,229 --> 01:24:37,080
world it's um

1831
01:24:40,970 --> 01:24:39,239
you know the boxes that you kind of put

1832
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:40,980
things in are a lot bigger than the rest

1833
01:24:45,169 --> 01:24:43,320
of our our boxes um

1834
01:24:49,490 --> 01:24:45,179
has it given you

1835
01:24:52,010 --> 01:24:49,500
uh you know some new sensibilities to uh

1836
01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:52,020
are you tuned into things that maybe a

1837
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,580
lot of people aren't because of the way

1838
01:24:59,570 --> 01:24:56,159
that you you experience the world

1839
01:25:02,450 --> 01:24:59,580
through all these encounters

1840
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,460
I would say that I'm more alert

1841
01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:04,320
um and

1842
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,860
I can read people and situations very

1843
01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:09,360
well

1844
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:16,250
you get a sense of things that you

1845
01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:18,600
you know

1846
01:25:22,430 --> 01:25:20,300
you just

1847
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,440
there are things you know and you don't

1848
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:25,199
know how you know you know

1849
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:33,950
um so yeah I mean they're just things

1850
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:36,179
but

1851
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,920
there's a lot of

1852
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,189
things that you just perceive and you

1853
01:25:48,169 --> 01:25:45,840
don't understand fully how you perceive

1854
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:48,179
them but you do

1855
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:50,820
you know just like when you know that

1856
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:53,400
they're here or you know you're going to

1857
01:26:01,790 --> 01:25:58,080
be taken or you know they're outside or

1858
01:26:04,669 --> 01:26:01,800
you're driving along and you know you

1859
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,679
know it's like I could this happen once

1860
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:07,440
a couple of years ago I was driving my

1861
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,480
husband was in the other seat

1862
01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:12,960
I told him to take a picture there I

1863
01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:15,060
wasn't even looking I just pointed he

1864
01:26:18,910 --> 01:26:16,980
goes why I don't see anything I said

1865
01:26:21,950 --> 01:26:18,920
just take the picture there

1866
01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:21,960
and when we got to the house looked at

1867
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,060
the film and it had five UFOs going like

1868
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:29,520
together but he didn't see them when he

1869
01:26:36,050 --> 01:26:31,620
was right in the photo right no

1870
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:36,060
and so I can't explain a lot of stuff it

1871
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,520
just is

1872
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,520
yeah that's amazing I I don't this I'm

1873
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:42,960
probably going to get reprimanded this

1874
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:46,320
for this Lin uh Linda but in your next

1875
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,179
interaction is there any way that you

1876
01:26:53,390 --> 01:26:50,400
could speak to them about my hair if

1877
01:26:56,510 --> 01:26:53,400
they field your ankle then that leads me

1878
01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:56,520
to believe that possibly something could

1879
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:58,020
happen here

1880
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:00,780
uh they need to help my hair

1881
01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:03,360
that's great I'll I'll take your hair I

1882
01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:04,260
mean this

1883
01:27:08,209 --> 01:27:06,360
is good on me I mean I could look like I

1884
01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:08,219
would look cool with that all right

1885
01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:10,260
anyway if if you happen to think of it

1886
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,260
and you're up there you know if you

1887
01:27:20,689 --> 01:27:15,120
could just I would appreciate it put in

1888
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:24,050
um all right so last question Debs uh

1889
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,219
and then I have a final one we gotta get

1890
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,080
Linda out of here and we have to beg for

1891
01:27:33,530 --> 01:27:30,960
episode two so we can continue okay so

1892
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:33,540
um I was thinking about what you were

1893
01:27:37,970 --> 01:27:35,880
saying about the knowing and it's weird

1894
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:37,980
because I actually knew it was going to

1895
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,560
be Dolphins when when GJ asked that

1896
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,719
question which kind of worries me a

1897
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,400
little bit but anywho because I've pet

1898
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:47,360
I've petted it often before and um

1899
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:49,800
so yeah I was wondering if you think

1900
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:52,260
there is a way for someone to enhance

1901
01:27:58,129 --> 01:27:54,780
their communication

1902
01:28:01,070 --> 01:27:58,139
um with their ability to be receptive to

1903
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:01,080
those downloads and messages I know a

1904
01:28:05,209 --> 01:28:02,880
lot of people go to Consciousness and

1905
01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:05,219
you you know what music I listen to

1906
01:28:09,229 --> 01:28:07,020
because you commented on it and

1907
01:28:10,970 --> 01:28:09,239
recognized it and that helps with my

1908
01:28:12,649 --> 01:28:10,980
meditations

1909
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:12,659
um but are there some other ways you can

1910
01:28:18,050 --> 01:28:15,840
think of to tell people to enhance it

1911
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:18,060
ability

1912
01:28:22,010 --> 01:28:19,860
for a lot of people it's just getting

1913
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:22,020
out in nature

1914
01:28:27,770 --> 01:28:26,159
um you know walking among the trees or

1915
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:27,780
whatever

1916
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,560
um so that helps a lot of people just

1917
01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:33,600
being outside

1918
01:28:40,689 --> 01:28:38,100
um definitely meditation is a big thing

1919
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:45,110
learning just when you sense something

1920
01:28:52,129 --> 01:28:49,440
or hear something to write it down

1921
01:28:55,850 --> 01:28:52,139
um and that's true even in meditation

1922
01:28:58,970 --> 01:28:55,860
because I you go back to

1923
01:29:02,629 --> 01:28:58,980
um remote viewing those techniques I

1924
01:29:04,370 --> 01:29:02,639
first learned through meditation those

1925
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:04,380
are things

1926
01:29:08,050 --> 01:29:05,120
um

1927
01:29:10,189 --> 01:29:08,060
that I learn you know

1928
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,199
especially when you're learning to

1929
01:29:15,169 --> 01:29:12,239
meditate and you go oh but I need to

1930
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:15,179
pick up the groceries and you know you

1931
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:17,400
make those little notes and then you go

1932
01:29:22,010 --> 01:29:21,000
back to meditating and so

1933
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:22,020
um

1934
01:29:30,110 --> 01:29:25,260
whatever works with you but you need to

1935
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:30,120
be able to Silence Yourself and to just

1936
01:29:35,209 --> 01:29:33,420
not listen to anything even I mean not

1937
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,219
even music

1938
01:29:42,590 --> 01:29:38,159
um that's a big thing with me is that

1939
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:42,600
I really prefer silence most of the time

1940
01:29:53,169 --> 01:29:48,350
you know a lot of people are afraid of

1941
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,370
yeah except when you're hosting a show

1942
01:29:58,610 --> 01:29:56,639
up just kidding

1943
01:30:00,830 --> 01:29:58,620
um no you're no you're right that time

1944
01:30:04,189 --> 01:30:00,840
alone Nathan's been meditating a lot in

1945
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:04,199
that time in the woods is is is magical

1946
01:30:09,229 --> 01:30:07,860
uh and it's my favorite place to be is

1947
01:30:13,129 --> 01:30:09,239
in the forest

1948
01:30:15,290 --> 01:30:13,139
um everybody who knows me knows that

1949
01:30:16,189 --> 01:30:15,300
um I wanted to ask

1950
01:30:20,209 --> 01:30:16,199
um

1951
01:30:22,490 --> 01:30:20,219
about Chris Bledsoe do you think that uh

1952
01:30:25,129 --> 01:30:22,500
you know like perhaps a purpose that

1953
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:25,139
that you surmise that that the

1954
01:30:30,770 --> 01:30:28,020
phenomenon has in mind for him is there

1955
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:30,780
was it to be a Healer do you think that

1956
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:33,360
there's a specific reason why Chris

1957
01:30:39,950 --> 01:30:36,239
Bledsoe was given the gifts that he was

1958
01:30:44,990 --> 01:30:41,510
um

1959
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:45,000
well I will say this and I have chatted

1960
01:30:49,729 --> 01:30:47,400
with Chris and I know he's a really

1961
01:30:50,990 --> 01:30:49,739
sweet person

1962
01:30:56,110 --> 01:30:51,000
um

1963
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:01,129
elevating any abductee or any experience

1964
01:31:04,930 --> 01:31:02,639
or

1965
01:31:08,990 --> 01:31:04,940
is

1966
01:31:12,110 --> 01:31:09,000
really even valid because

1967
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:12,120
so many hides so many things from other

1968
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:13,860
people

1969
01:31:18,830 --> 01:31:14,719
um

1970
01:31:22,010 --> 01:31:18,840
that a lot of that is very common

1971
01:31:24,290 --> 01:31:22,020
okay what is different about Chris

1972
01:31:28,010 --> 01:31:24,300
Bledsoe and some other people

1973
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:28,020
is that the government got involved

1974
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:32,159
and that's what made it all different

1975
01:31:38,689 --> 01:31:36,480
you know how they could use him

1976
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:38,699
um even the individuals in government

1977
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:42,719
used him for their own purposes

1978
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:47,400
um and so I would just say I know

1979
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:51,600
from my experience and other people

1980
01:31:59,209 --> 01:31:56,239
that a lot of that is not

1981
01:32:02,330 --> 01:31:59,219
unusual or abnormal

1982
01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:04,729
it's not out there

1983
01:32:11,930 --> 01:32:08,520
for people to all see it and

1984
01:32:15,470 --> 01:32:11,940
I'm not going to open my door to the CIA

1985
01:32:19,550 --> 01:32:15,480
or the DIA or whoever

1986
01:32:22,669 --> 01:32:19,560
to come in and Bug my house and play

1987
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,679
mind games on me okay because a lot of

1988
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:24,320
that goes on

1989
01:32:32,810 --> 01:32:31,280
and I just won't have it

1990
01:32:33,890 --> 01:32:32,820
so

1991
01:32:41,209 --> 01:32:33,900
um

1992
01:32:47,149 --> 01:32:44,570
putting abductees or experiences or

1993
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:47,159
whatever on a pedestal regardless of who

1994
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:51,600
they are or how much

1995
01:32:56,750 --> 01:32:54,719
they have to quote give the world or

1996
01:32:57,410 --> 01:32:56,760
give the government

1997
01:33:00,290 --> 01:32:57,420
um

1998
01:33:04,430 --> 01:33:00,300
or anything else I just think there's

1999
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:04,440
plenty walking around that have at least

2000
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:09,900
as much influence without it being known

2001
01:33:15,950 --> 01:33:12,780
so but I think Chris is a wonderful

2002
01:33:19,310 --> 01:33:15,960
person and I don't

2003
01:33:23,090 --> 01:33:19,320
you know have absolutely nothing you

2004
01:33:26,270 --> 01:33:23,100
know I mean I have chatted with him so

2005
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:26,280
but I just

2006
01:33:31,970 --> 01:33:29,280
like I said I see many people being used

2007
01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:31,980
by the government

2008
01:33:36,410 --> 01:33:34,380
I I think I meant it from the standpoint

2009
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:36,420
that the phenomenon if they had

2010
01:33:45,169 --> 01:33:39,360
something in mind for Chris yeah that

2011
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:47,990
has gotten some people in high places to

2012
01:33:51,530 --> 01:33:49,380
pay attention

2013
01:33:53,689 --> 01:33:51,540
to the phenomenon

2014
01:33:55,970 --> 01:33:53,699
I mean

2015
01:34:01,129 --> 01:33:55,980
so yeah

2016
01:34:04,610 --> 01:34:02,750
um I'll tell you what

2017
01:34:06,649 --> 01:34:04,620
um we're going to say our goodbyes to

2018
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:06,659
you Linda this is uh and I have a

2019
01:34:10,189 --> 01:34:08,159
question for you tomorrow I'm going to

2020
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:10,199
ask and I should come clean right now

2021
01:34:15,050 --> 01:34:13,080
that I was gonna you know Nathan I was

2022
01:34:16,669 --> 01:34:15,060
gonna ask Chris if Deb was able to get

2023
01:34:18,350 --> 01:34:16,679
him on the show if he can heal my scalp

2024
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:18,360
but we don't need to talk about that now

2025
01:34:23,570 --> 01:34:21,060
I do I do have another question for

2026
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:23,580
Linda that I'm going to ask her offline

2027
01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:26,340
because I I like I've I have more to go

2028
01:34:29,870 --> 01:34:28,020
but go ahead uh Debs let's get

2029
01:34:32,450 --> 01:34:29,880
archibising

2030
01:34:34,610 --> 01:34:32,460
well thank you so much Linda for coming

2031
01:34:37,070 --> 01:34:34,620
to talk to us for the first time we'll

2032
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:37,080
we'll see you again and for all that you

2033
01:34:41,090 --> 01:34:38,460
share with everybody we really

2034
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:41,100
appreciate your work and that you

2035
01:34:48,110 --> 01:34:44,159
advocate so strongly for experiencers

2036
01:34:50,330 --> 01:34:48,120
thank you very much thank you

2037
01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:50,340
yeah Linda thank you so much uh you've

2038
01:34:55,010 --> 01:34:51,960
been incredibly gracious with your time

2039
01:34:57,169 --> 01:34:55,020
I know this is not something that uh you

2040
01:34:59,810 --> 01:34:57,179
do often so I take that you know very

2041
01:35:01,970 --> 01:34:59,820
seriously that you're very choosy and I

2042
01:35:03,169 --> 01:35:01,980
think you should be with uh where you

2043
01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:03,179
spend your time and hopefully we've made

2044
01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:04,639
that time worthwhile

2045
01:35:10,010 --> 01:35:06,960
we very much enjoyed chatting with you

2046
01:35:10,669 --> 01:35:10,020
look forward to Future conversations

2047
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:10,679
um

2048
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,840
and and I just want to say thank you to

2049
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:14,400
those who've been listening as well the

2050
01:35:17,689 --> 01:35:15,780
the folks who showed up to the show

2051
01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:17,699
tonight who've been active in the chat

2052
01:35:23,330 --> 01:35:21,120
have been huge fans of yours and many of

2053
01:35:25,610 --> 01:35:23,340
them you know I know you know personally

2054
01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:25,620
so it's great to see them uh come along

2055
01:35:30,350 --> 01:35:29,100
for this conversation and uh I look

2056
01:35:32,270 --> 01:35:30,360
forward to the rest of this year and to

2057
01:35:33,709 --> 01:35:32,280
where we're going into the into the next

2058
01:35:35,330 --> 01:35:33,719
year as well and I know you'll be a part

2059
01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:35,340
of that so thank you for everything that

2060
01:35:41,689 --> 01:35:38,340
you're doing thank you

2061
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:41,699
yeah I I I didn't get to talk to you

2062
01:35:46,250 --> 01:35:43,980
about my Deja Vu stuff but I will I'll

2063
01:35:49,129 --> 01:35:46,260
call you tomorrow on that I also didn't

2064
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:49,139
get to talk about our uh mutual friend

2065
01:35:55,070 --> 01:35:52,860
who uh made a healing on me that was

2066
01:35:56,990 --> 01:35:55,080
quite remarkable from something very

2067
01:36:00,530 --> 01:35:57,000
cute that was happening but I don't want

2068
01:36:02,689 --> 01:36:00,540
to mention her name without uh her

2069
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,699
permission uh and I don't even know if

2070
01:36:08,810 --> 01:36:04,560
I've told Nathan and Debs about this one

2071
01:36:10,250 --> 01:36:08,820
but I do want to say thank you

2072
01:36:13,610 --> 01:36:10,260
um

2073
01:36:15,169 --> 01:36:13,620
Linda because without you there's this

2074
01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:15,179
certain

2075
01:36:23,209 --> 01:36:18,120
group of us that are not able to connect

2076
01:36:27,290 --> 01:36:23,219
that don't know and can't feel it and

2077
01:36:29,450 --> 01:36:27,300
just like somebody who went to Rome and

2078
01:36:31,970 --> 01:36:29,460
then you know could describe for you

2079
01:36:34,370 --> 01:36:31,980
what that was like even though

2080
01:36:35,629 --> 01:36:34,380
you really desire to go there and you

2081
01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:35,639
haven't gone there

2082
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,040
but they made you at least you know for

2083
01:36:42,590 --> 01:36:40,320
a few minutes feel like you were there

2084
01:36:46,010 --> 01:36:42,600
and that's kind of like what you've done

2085
01:36:47,450 --> 01:36:46,020
for people like myself is you've enabled

2086
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:47,460
us to

2087
01:36:52,610 --> 01:36:49,560
feel a little bit to know a little bit

2088
01:36:55,850 --> 01:36:52,620
to understand a little bit that without

2089
01:36:57,950 --> 01:36:55,860
an experience or we can't we don't you

2090
01:36:59,810 --> 01:36:57,960
know we can't we can only read it or

2091
01:37:01,310 --> 01:36:59,820
hear it but you can make us feel it a

2092
01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:01,320
little bit and

2093
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:03,060
um and so

2094
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,080
you know it I'm really really

2095
01:37:11,450 --> 01:37:08,880
happy that you decided to come on with

2096
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:11,460
us and I hope that uh you'll give us

2097
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:14,880
another opportunity to do it again

2098
01:37:20,270 --> 01:37:19,020
thank you I will I enjoyed it

2099
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:20,280
must stay

2100
01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:24,960
so for uh Linda Thompson and for uh Debs

2101
01:37:29,570 --> 01:37:27,480
and Nathan this is DJ

2102
01:37:31,970 --> 01:37:29,580
on behalf of calling all beings saying

2103
01:37:34,010 --> 01:37:31,980
peace out one love

2104
01:37:35,870 --> 01:37:34,020
we'll see you down the road

2105
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:35,880
and we always wonder what's up around

2106
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:38,159
the bend